Friday 21 December 2012

Countering Bible Contradictions


Originally By: Andrew Tong, Michael J. Bumbulis,  MaryAnna White, Russ Smith, and others (1994-1995)

Introduction
Skip intro and go to the Index of Contradictions
A word about the contributors. There were three of us:
  • Me -- Michael J. Bumbulis
  • MaryAnna White
  • Russ Smith
I will list each claim of contradiction as found in the original list, and then offer the reply. The replies are referenced to the contributor. MaryAnna's replies are followed by "--MAW", and Russ Smith's replies are followed by "--RS". If no initials follow a reply, they are mine (Michael's). In addition, Phil Porvaznik will be --PP, and Apolonio Latar will be --AL. What follows is a reply to a list of 143 purported Bible contradictions, along with a suggestion for more contradictions not found in this list. You will find below the index to the contradictions but first I want to discuss some possible objections as to how the contradictions are being resolved.

Thursday 20 December 2012

The Early Church Fathers on The Divinity of Christ

The Early Church Fathers believed and taught that Jesus Christ, as the second person of the Trinity, was God. He spoke with the authority of God and did things that only God could do. It is the reason why He was accused of blasphemy.
Ignatius of Antioch

Ignatius, also called Theophorus, to the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . predestined from eternity for a glory that is lasting and unchanging, united and chosen through true suffering by the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God (Letter to the Ephesians 1 [A.D. 110]).
For our God, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God's plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit (ibid., 18:2).
To the Church beloved and enlightened after the love of Jesus Christ, our God, by the will of him that has willed everything which is (Letter to the Romans 1 [A.D. 110]).
Aristides
[Christians] are they who, above every people of the earth, have found the truth, for they acknowledge God, the Creator and maker of all things, in the only-begotten Son and in the Holy Spirit (Apology 16 [A.D. 140]).
Tatian the Syrian
We are not playing the fool, you Greeks, nor do we talk nonsense, when we report that God was born in the form of a man (Address to the Greeks 21 [A.D. 170]).
Melito of Sardis
It is no way necessary in dealing with persons of intelligence to adduce the actions of Christ after his baptism as proof that his soul and his body, his human nature, were like ours, real and not phantasmal. The activities of Christ after his baptism, and especially his miracles, gave indication and assurance to the world of the deity hidden in his flesh. Being God and likewise perfect man, he gave positive indications of his two natures: of his deity by the miracles during the three years following after his baptism, of his humanity in the thirty years which came before his baptism during which, by reason of his condition according to the flesh, he concealed the signs of his deity, although he was the true God existing before the ages (Fragment in Anastasius of Sinai's The Guide 13 [A.D. 177]).
Irenaeus
For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their disciples the faith in one God, Father Almighty, the creator of heaven and earth and sea and all that is in them; and in one Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in the Holy Spirit, who announced through the prophets the dispensations and the comings, and the birth from a Virgin, and the passion, and the resurrection from the dead, and the bodily ascension into heaven of the beloved Christ Jesus our Lord, and his coming from heaven in the glory of the Father to reestablish all things; and the raising up again of all flesh of all humanity, in order that to Jesus Christ our Lord and God and Savior and King, in accord with the approval of the invisible Father, every knee shall bend of those in heaven and on earth and under the earth (Against Heresies 1:10:1 [A.D. 189]).
Clement of Alexandria
The Word, then, the Christ, is the cause both of our ancient beginning — for he was in God — and of our well-being. And now this same Word has appeared as man. He alone is both God and man, and the source of all our good things (Exhortation to the Greeks 1:7:1 [A.D. 190]).
Despised as to appearance but in reality adored, [Jesus is") the expiator, the Savior, the soother, the divine Word, he that is quite evidently true God, he that is put on a level with the Lord of the universe because he was his Son (ibid.,10:110:1).
Tertullian
The origins of both his substances display him as man and as God: From the one, born, and from the other, not born (The Flesh of Christ 5:6-7 [A.D. 210]).
That there are two gods and two Lords, however, is a statement which we will never allow to issue from our mouth; not as if the Father and the Son were not God, nor the Spirit God, and each of them God; but formerly two were spoken of as gods and two as Lords, so that when Christ would come, he might both be acknowledged as God and be called Lord, because he is the Son of him who is both God and Lord (Against Praxeas 13:6 [A.D. 216]).
Origen
Although he was God, he took flesh; and having been made man, he remained what he was: God (On First Principles 1:0:4 [A.D. 225]).
Hippolytus
Only [God's] Word is from himself and is therefore also God, becoming the substance of God (Refutation of All Heresies 10:33 [A.D. 228]).
For Christ is the God over all, who has arranged to wash away sin from mankind, rendering the old man new (ibid. 10:34).
Cyprian of Carthage
One who denies that Christ is God cannot become his temple [of the Holy Spiriti . . . (Letters 73:12 [A.D. 253]).
Arnobius
"Well, then," some raging, angry, and excited man will say, "is that Christ your God?" "God indeed" we shall answer, "and God of the hidden powers" (Against the Pagans 1:42 [A.D. 305]).
Lactantius
He was made both Son of God in the spirit and Son of man in the flesh, that is, both God and man (Divine Institutes 4:13:5 [A.D. 307]).
Council of Nicea
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, God from God, light from light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in being with the Father. Through Him all things were made (Creed of Nicea [A.D. 325]).

Monday 26 November 2012

TRINITARIAN TANAKH... UNITARIAN JUDAISM.

 [Note: When I use the word "Tanakh", I mean the "whole Jewish Bible" i.e. the OLD Testament]
   There is a common saying: that "Christianity was derived from Judaism and Judasim was and is unitarian, therefore, Christianity is meant to be Unitarian" --- Repeated in Jehovah's Witnesses' literature [Reasoning from the scriptures, chapter of Trinity].
   This has been their modus operandi when trying to disprove the Doctrine of the Holy trinity -which is also used by Muslims and other Heretic, Anti Trinitarian "Christian". If only these people could read the Jewish scriptures with an unbiased mindset, perhaps, there would be a change in all these criticisms. Come to think of it, there are things practiced and adorned in today's Judaism that are not only unscriptural but are also pagan. for example,an utterly pagan symbol in Judaism: The Hexagram- which is claimed to be the star of David- is used today in Judaism as a symbol for "God's" people. Should we adopt that too?
   In this blog post, i will be refuting the silly claims of "unitarian Judaism = unitarian Christianity" and will prove that the Jews do not follow the true teaching of the Jewish scriptures.

Friday 23 November 2012

DOES JOB 14:13 DISPROVE HELLFIRE?

                                               SHE'OL AND GE'HINNOM
   Jehovah's Witnesses use certain verses in order to debunk the Doctrine of Eternal Retribution [i.e. Hellfire]. Out of these verses, i'd be addressing one of the main verses which, if refuted, refutes all the others [i.e. their favourite verses]. I mean Job 14:13. It says:
  "O that in Sheol you would conceal me,
That you would keep me secret until your anger turns back,
That you would set a time limit for me and remember me!" [New World Translation]
After quoting this verse to a non J.W., the J.W. would ask "was Job really wishing to get tormented in hellfire?"... This technique has been the one of the main tactics which they use to "stump" a believer in divine retribution perhaps to make the believer think that such notion makes more sense if the word "She'ol" were a "Grave" and not a "place of torment"... I have even heard such questions asked in other websites like "Yahoo Answers", Facebook posts, e.t.c. but the fact is that this conclusion is illogical.

The Early Church Fathers on
The Sabbath or Sunday


It is true that the early Church changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday. This in no way violates the teachings of Scripture. Christians live under the New Covenant and not the Old. The Church in its God given authority (Matthew 16:15-19), made the change in honor of the day that Jesus rose from the dead. Scripture records the early Church meeting on the first day (Sunday). For instance, in Acts 20:7 we read the following: "On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them…" The term "to break bread" refers to the Eucharistic celebration which has been the center of Christian worship for the last two thousand years. Money was collected for the needs of the Church on Sunday (1 Corinthians 16:2). Paul also tells us Christians are not to be judged for failing to observing the Jewish Sabbath (Colossians 2:14-16).

Friday 9 November 2012


The Early Church Fathers on
Hell

The Early Fathers believed in a literal hell. A place where unrepentant sinners would spend their eternity separated from God. A place where all hope would be abandoned and where misery and suffering would be a constant companion. The idea that the Bibles torturous descriptions of hell were somehow symbolic of non-existence, as Jehovah’s Witnesses claim, was something that would have been totally foreign to them.

Tuesday 6 November 2012


The Early Church Fathers on
The Trinity

   Groups such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses and Oneness Pentecostals dispute the doctrine of the Trinity. Jehovah’s Witnesses even go so far as to claim that the doctrine of the Trinity was unknown to the Early Fathers. They specifically claim that Tertullian, Origen and Theophilus of Antioch gave evidence against it

Friday 19 October 2012

WELCOME TO REFUTERS LODGE BLOG

    We all know that Truth is not what it is because we believe it but  it is what it is because it is what it is. Many critics [especially Christianity haters] have made it a point of duty to bring some cooked up claims against the faith but each time these critics try, they fall deep into the pit they themselves dug. I have done intense a study on these claims that the critics like using against the faith and I found out that these claims are rested on some sandy pillars and are usually supported with lies and add-ons. In this blog, I will be refuting claims held by the